Follow this link to view Today Tonight's story about Neville Williams' Bite Clubhttp://todaytonight.i7.com.au/stories/97342.html

The EDBA's response to this story is now available by clicking here.

We also offer you one page of our on-line forum as re-created here so you can all read for yourselves, the angry response this show has drawn from responsible dog owners and lovers.

Please remember, the people speaking their minds here have between them, literally decades of experience in the breeding, training and handling of dogs. Every single one, is dedicated to the dogs.

Listen to the anger....
 
 

posted by "N" 04-02-2002 05:54 PM	watch it right now !!!
posted by "V" 04-02-2002 06:13 PM	What's Naomi R up to now? Details of some dog attack? a Back Yard Breeder set up, no she has to "go" at pure-breds surely, Wirth here!  a so called dog fight man, condemned without a trial?? another Rottie in the spotlight or a good ole pitbull?? Wouldn't it be nice if she said We now have an informed group fighting for dog and owner rights in Australia.....????? I tried but only got the start of ACA on one channel and missed the TTN show!
posted by "N" 04-02-2002 10:05 PM	Sorry, This nut called Neville Williams, runs a "training school" to teach your household pet to attack on command...!!!!  David Hinde from GSD club, was also interviewed and slammed this guy Williams Story link   http://todaytonight.i7.com.au/stories/97342.html This guys attitude was "everyone has the right to own a dog trained to attack" man got me angry as..
posted by "V" 05-02-2002 06:27 AM	N, do not apologize--I am with you! Any loose "nut" can do a lot of damage!!
posted by "ib" 05-02-2002 07:26 AM	Neville Williams' Bite Club needs to be shut down. This guy is creating time bombs, and the owners don't know enough to know better. I remember my uncle in Germany had 2 Rottweilers, which were attack trained. (He bought them "second hand" for this purpose). He used them to protect his property/business. They were quite viscous. There is one incident when my cousin was trapped by one of the dogs, and was about to be attacked. He was able to scream out to my uncle who had to command the dog to back off. And that was his own family member! Another time, and the last time, was when the dog got an ear infection, and the same dog attacked my uncle. He ended up with a lengthy microsurgery session on his forearm. Needless to say, the dogs were both put down. Even if the dogs that Neville trains are "good" with their family, no one can guarantee that those dogs won't change hands at some point. What then!
posted by "N" 05-02-2002 11:44 AM	Quite right ib, This idiot believes that having an attack trained dog is every dog owners right as an insurance policy..and the lady with the rotty, and it was no rotty cross, ( very solid, possibly 60 kg) stated that she feels safe when she walks the dog, and has every confidence in her ability to control the animal..ok, all well and done, but this is the same as walking the streets with a pistol, which is loaded and cocked ready to fire, it could go off at the wrong time..and kill someone, I pray that they never have to use the command, because they are in actual fact breaching council regs (dangerous dog) and also criminal law-its the same as carrying a concealed weapon....so this guy is a real threat to what everyone is trying to prove..my dog should not be banned, there was even a boxer..on that segment..god talk about this Williams being a couple dogs short of a show..!!
posted by "PW" 05-02-2002 12:22 PM	Hi All I would add to the top piece come in contact with an innocent person doing no harm. I have not been to this link YET but will. Just a quick comment. There is absolutely no need for anyone to have a dog that is trained to attack people.  However when people try to train them quickly at so called TRAINING CAMPS where they receive as little as 4 weeks intensive training. Sometimes a couple of months it is bound for BAD things to happen. However there are schools of training that are OK. BUT the dog must go for lengthy  periods of time and MUST be trained by it's owner. So the owner knows WHAT TO DO. This training never ends. It, once started is for the life of the dog. How many people have this discipline? When dogs are trained for police the dog receives constant training. They don't do a 6 week hit at teaching it to attack. To train a dog in this way costs many many thousands of dollars as there is countless hours devoted to it's training. These camps DO NOT devote any where enough time to the dogs they supposedly teach. These people are, as already said MAKING "TIME BOMBS". And no offence there is very FEW women that can control a Rotty that is trained to attack poorly, if something goes wrong. Also there are few men that could also. This also applies to many large dogs of any breed or XXX!!!  Lets also face it WHY train a Rotty to bite. I would not ever hassle a person walking one??? Come on some common sense must prevail, any Rotty will defend it's owner and so will most dogs if the owner is in immediate danger. To feel safe why would you need to train it to be a PHYSCO, as this is what nearly all these Schools do. This training usually results in a dog that is useless. It must be separated from all people except immediate family. So what good is it to protect its family. What do you do, run to the kennel to release it if something goes wrong??? Also people that think of dogs as first being for defence would be the wrong sort of owner any way. So they are bound for trouble to begin with. The whole situation is just appalling and the cause of most serious dog attacks. But when the dog attacks a person the owner will never admit they trained or had the dog trained. It always "TURNED WITHOUT WARNING"!!!!!!!!!!
posted by "V2" 05-02-2002 12:53 PM	Hi, Just checked out the web page on the story, I was really concerned that she referred to the girls taking the dog for a walk down the street, How old were they??? Were they old enough to control the dog. Not making judgement on this lady's children just checking that they were old enough to control the dog. It is a shame people take this guys word as being gospel.  There are a lot of dangerous people out there that are making it difficult for the rest of us.
posted by "V" 05-02-2002 02:52 PM	Well you all know me!! It said "contact us"' so I DID!!
posted by "S" 06-02-2002 04:45 AM	Couldn't believe it when the lady said that she lets her daughter/s take this dog for a  walk. You tell me how many kids are responsible enough not to set the dog on someone that is annoying them or a group of kids that they don't like?  This dog has been trained to have an on/off trigger, lets hope it's not faulty.
posted by "H" 06-02-2002 06:39 AM	Quoted from show" Take Hooch for instance - he is a 44 kilogram pure-bred Rottweiler and if anyone touches his owner, look out!" Everyone here that has posted replies is correct and this 'trainer' using the word very lightly, is making for ticking time bombs. Some breeds of dogs have natural guarding abilities, that are only bought to the fore, when their loved ones are being threatened. I have never had one of my dogs attacked trained, but they have reacted, correctly, when we have been placed in a dangerous situation. I would trust my life and families lives with my dogs. Attack trained dogs, either by cowboys, or owned by inexperienced handlers makes for a dangerous dogs, regardless of breed. At an obedience trial, we had a very striking male GSD, his ELDERLY owner had touted around the place that the dog was Sch. trained, by him. This dog was totally intractable, attacked two dogs, whilst the owner had him on lead, as he walked past groups of people talking. Once inside the trial ring, for the group stays, two Stewards were asked to stand behind the dog, just in case it turned on the other dogs. No sooner had the owner left the dog, and his back to the dog, the dog turned around and lunged for another dog. The dog was immediately disqualified, a formal complaint lodged with the CCCQ and the dog was disqualified from entries etc. for 6 months. I have had a dog aggressive dog, the result of training at a club that didn't encourage socialization and they would and have NEVER done such things to other dogs, NEVER!!!!! The owner of the above dog, also had his GSD bitch disqualified for 6 months for aggression too. Neville Williams really does need to be dragged over the hot coals for this dreadful news article, it is people like him, that keep decent trainers and dog handlers from being allowed to participate in properly conducted and affiliated SCH. clubs. Trained police dogs as so tractable that they live out their retirement with the handlers family, I think that Williams training methods speak for themselves.
posted by "V" 06-02-2002 07:52 AM	"H" and all, Hi You are so right!! I feel we need a warning type article for our web site, about training in general--I indicated I was working on the bite/chew/growl aspect for owners of new pups, so is anyone able to put up a few sentences to intro training and state these points of what NOT to do--I do hope we will then offer the contacts for obedience clubs etc. and the benefits of obedience training in a useful article, and I do not mind putting the info into a format for Jim. I am so mad about this free publicity the idiot got!
posted by "PW"06-02-2002 01:20 PM	Quoted from previous posting "his ELDERLY owner had tauted around the place that the dog was Sch. trained, by him. This dog was totally untractable, attacked two dogs, whilst the owner had him on lead, as he walked past groups of people talking. I would just like to say, As H all ready has. But I would like to say this. This above dog was not SCH trained and if it was it must have failed. For a dog to pass any level of this training they must be sociable with all other dogs no exceptions, NONE. These dogs are superbly trained and not even slightly dangerous. As they are trained to do it for the owner, not to be aggressive. Also they are trained to bite people and attacking of another dog when they are working is a failure and will result in other trainers of the attacked dog being very upset. Because this ruins THEIR training. It is unfortunate that more people don't understand this very rigorous sport better. Because for the dedicated trainer it is something truly exceptional. But I would NEVER train one of my dogs for it. As I see it as totally unnecessary. But each to their own.  When you have seen these dogs GSD especially they just aren't aggressive with other dogs, they are too busy having fun, as biting is the tiniest part of the training. But with certain COWBOYS this is all they teach. ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. So what happens with some of the dogs and who is to blame when things DO GO WRONG. I know who is blamed at the moment and it isn't the owner. When their is a serious attack, all dogs should be tested to see if it has been trained. This is possible and done in some states of the USA. It is 100% obvious to a trainer, but the average person just sees a vicious dog. THIS MUST STOP as it is what is behind nearly all serious DOG ATTACKS.